I understand that in some ways there are folks in that crowd with some tendencies a lot of us don't like. But here are some arguments for still marketing to them.

1. If they are not a mod and not one of the paid most frequent commentors they probably aren't that bad. At least 50% of reddit is people just trying to look at some content on the internet.

2. There is always the great filter. People who suck and need everyone to conform to their values tend to not stick around if you don't give them and their peers a ton of rules, which I'm not going to do. If they suck they are gone anyway.

3. Wanting matrix to take off while marketing to sites that have a userbase of active people around the 20-80 range is cannibalistic of a very small shared user base. Less than I would like to have eventually in an ideal world even if I took them all.

4. It's not my goal to take all the users from these sites nor is it realistic or what will happen. I can likely only get max 5%. I don't even want higher. Those sites should retain their userbase and not loose anything noticeable over me wanting matrix to take off.

5. Viewpoint diversity is valuable. One of the goals of matrix is to have a less silo'd internet. Matrix is not meant to be one additional thought silo.

6. There are users who hate the bureaucracy of Reddit and are ready to jump ship if someone just befriends them and and shows them another site.

7. There are a few semi-based people on reddit that deserve to be less influenced by corporate media and deserve to have corporate media less able to control their sense of society's consensus. Young people who might not know there is more internet than just the big companies.

8. Movie nights are more fun when there are more people no matter who they are. Reddit is maybe a realistic way to do that with its larger pool.

9. If we get libtards they can be fun to fuck with.

10. If I don't think about matrix's userbase, but instead alt-tech's userbase as a whole we have to migrate people from not alt-tech to alt-tech.

11. 5% of voat and saidit's userbase I could get is < 30% of reddit's tolerable userbase (casting a wide net for tolerable) * 2% acquisition cap (less aligned) * 4000 people exposure cap. That's six people vs 24. But that exposure cap resets once a week for reddit. Whereas I get the same exposure on voat and saiddit every week. I basically already have those 6 people. That 5% is here now. Hi.

12. Lemmy is worse. They have an acceptably large userbase, but they have a 90% suck rate vs reddit's 70%.. After the great filter does its job (which it still would), not so worth it. They have maybe 4000 highly active users. So now you are getting the same exposure every week. We'll say 1% acquisition cap for them. That's a max of 12 users possible. I'm still doing it, but reddit makes more sense if I can find the right way to. Users also have exponentially decaying value. Was it worth all the effort to get the six-ish users I have here now from voat and saitit? Yes. Best users I'll ever get. Would it be worth the same amount of effort to get the theoretical 12 off of lemmy (assuming nearly equally good users because we are talking about the theoretical 12 sane and decent people on that site), given I already have a seed userbase? Maybe.. 12 more decent people would be awesome. But reddit might blow those numbers out of the water. Again, only decent people will retain, and if we target a decent community on reddit to begin with now we already have something going for us. Maybe it's lucky for us that the only places I could post like a normal person on reddit (invite people to something) is somewhere where more normal people are.

Challenges:

Only one major one. Every community has so much bureaucracy of what you can post that it is impossible to post a friendly invite anywhere.

/r/movies, rules: Include the specific movie you are talking about or banned. List of 30 other criteria.

It's not a community. It's a fucking schema. For internet links. Communities have humans. Humans that talk about things they want to do with other humans. Ironically they end up with more spam, that happens to hit their schema, and no real community by trying to prevent my "spam".

A reminder that the line for what is considered spam on matrix is different. Not all marketing or promotion of something you care about is spam. If you are an actual human sharing something genuinely interesting then you are not spam.

In my book someone promoting something they are working on is less spam than a news article. A CNN link has more in common with actual spam than that. An outbound link to trash information no one cared about before they saw the title and a poorly designed web page full of obnoxious ads. Far more spam than someone promoting something they care about, because that's what actual communities do.

Basically you want people not bots. If you make a schema for posting you are going to end up with bots or some very bot like people posting.

Long story short. Bros. Crowd source me a community on reddit I can actually share movie nights on. It has to exist. Someone might already know it. Then I can get you more people to chat with on movie night and here. If they suck they will disappear.