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There was no feedback round in October. Why not? Because we busy. So it's time for a new one.
We're transitioning to a sprint format where we as a community can vote on the most pressing issues, and @x0x7 will implement them within a week. However, I have built up a backlog of feature requests that aren't immediately pressing, but which I still want to bring to x0x7's attention so he can put them somewhere on his todo list. Therefore I'd like to do another traditional feedback round. We can do these with lower frequency. So in this round we can be as complete as possible and in the sprint session, which will follow soon, we will focus on pressing issues. Please provide any feature requests, bug reports, or other feedback here, pressing or not.
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Would it help to set up an Invidious of our own with the Chew.Tube domain I just got? TIL about Piped. I'm not married to Invidious or Piped or whatever - as long as it scrubs the surveillance and importantly (to me) we can have download button (and/or download options) for videos. Preferably, also the ability to download channels, playlists, and livestreams. I loved YouTube-DLG until it broke a year or few ago. I was a digital hoarder until I got busier with other priorities. I know YouTube-DLP exists but haven't configured it yet, or needed to.
Inshittious provides an option to download videos although a lot of instances disable the feature. If we can find a provider that has it enabled we can promote that one, otherwise there is a reason to setup a new one. I wonder why so many instances disable that feature since it shouldn't cost them extra bandwidth.
Practical.
I suspect folks with download on might face various threats from YouTube. I may have already shit the bed as I doubt I bothered to make Chew.Tube "anonymous". I don't know if it might already be too late - or if it was always too late, via NameCheap or spycraft or whatever. And I already listed it on Projex.
But it isn't illegal to permanently store videos you can already get in your cache.
I would hope so.
But I also know they'd drag us into endless lawfare if they could too.
@x0x7 @High_quality_dick_pics
I've been procrastinating on commenting on this for quite some time...
IMO, making New the home page would not be good with the new multi-posting usage. Further, if I'm not mistaken, x0x7 likes to refine and work with the algorithm - and I think he believes it is a unique an worthwhile feature (I don't understand it nor can even recognize it in action - like magic to me).
I do not like the multi-post setup, but I like metatags more and have hope that the system will evolve and improve, so I use it in good faith that it will become practical and hopefully a useful resource.
The multi-post setup was problematic on SaidIt and is problematic on Matrix - and I suspect it may be a quick Band-Aid for a more complicated coding dilemma.
My preference would be a single post with multiple categories/metatags/subs with all the comments in one place, rather than split among several "communities"' posts. I always considered SaidIt one single community (besides a few groups that chose to or were forced to wall themselves off) - and feel Matrix (currently with even less users, I suspect) is the same. Obviously we can hope for growth (and we can hold out hope against all odds that magnora7 becomes a good admin). When (or if) Matrix grows large enough that a single community is too much, it won't be overnight and we'll already have been thinking about social management solutions, so I doubt growth is a serious threat now. Naturally, knowing nothing about the backend this is easy for me to say.
It's similar but not as bad as pre-crime - guilty before a crime has been committed. You're guilty of spreading COVID before you actually do, you're guilty of being a SaidIt power-mod before you even abuse your subs, you're guilty of being born a racist white baby before you can even talk. Yet at the same time, it would be folly to not try to anticipate and deal with issues before they become problems.
For the record, you can multi-post (list subs separated by coma and space) a link post but not a text post (unless fixed in the last few days).
Also - A while back I had a free day to catch up, got carried away, and unaware was accused of flooding the Matrix home page, but this never seemed correct to me as New was not the default the front page and my posts hadn't earned votes. I was sharing so people could have more content choices, like em or not. And so it goes with New now, but with multi-posts filling up New. Regardless, I was turned on to the "Post Whenever" feature which is great for spacing out posts - but I'd like to request a feature: The ability to edit the Post Whenever que. With a stacked list, up some things may be more timely, or get old, or take greater priority than other things of a more general, trivial, or fun nature.
He added a filter that hides double instances of the same post no matter what page you're viewing so it doesn't conflict.
Seconded, I would also prefer a system a single post is assigned multiple categories instead of the same content being submitted separately to different subs. This is very much like an automated x-post system like on Reddit. Perhaps he is taking growth into account. If every sub generates a lot of comments and they all have their own subculture, then you want to keep them separated. Although we don't know how far into the future that is. A simple tag system seems more apt for a small website.
I believe you're automatically upvoting your own posts like on Reddit. The default homepage takes score, age, proximity, and bumps into account equally.
So I'm guessing the multi-filter would apply to the front page but not New. I guess I was confused to think, like SaidIt, it points to that option rather than draws from that option.
Wise, but a reasonable balance for practical use must be implemented at all stages. This applies to much that is constructed, especially with active function in the process, whether it's animation, even planning, organizing, renovating, roofing, or just keeping your room tidy. IMO it doesn't seem practical now. Sometimes it's good to build it but not show it - yet.
Like on SaidIt, I vote up or down for everything (except the meh), even my own, like a flag to indicate that I've seen it. I'd like a Meh vote.
There is no downvote on Saidit.
Also on YouTube and everywhere else. I participate - and vote, rigged or not. Doesn't take much effort, just discipline. And it rewards those who made the effort as creators, posters, and commenters.
On Saidit it's Insightful or Fun - only if it's worthy of it. On SaidIt the worst thing I can do is be indifferent.
The filter doesn't exist on the new page because I want people to be able to verify it did in fact go to more than one place.
The issue with new being the front page is now we have even more of the issue of there being a sea of 1s. The more people vote the more I can shift the alg to being more new-centric. I had to make it more score-centric already because of the sea of 1s. People are willing to post but not vote.
Thanks for posting this.
At present Matrix.Gvid.TV is even worse than SaidIt for finding specific content, whether it's my old comments or mail/messages or posts - or doing research, much less knowing what subs/topics/metatags exist. I know most folks may not care too much about my pet peeves, and being extremely appreciative of Matrix and in awe of it being hand-build, I don't mean to dwell on it harshly. That said, as I stated here https://matrix.gvid.tv/c/WokeAgenda/61pKJM7RmA, "I don't want to assume or impose but if you're up for it, I could start developing a Gvid.TV project on Projex to document and organize everyone's thoughts and such - much like I did by starting the underutilized https://SaidIt.net/s/SaidIt/wiki (view the history)." Back then I didn't have a wiki to use (better, more powerful, more features, easier), though I did draft the now-long-outdated SaidIt article on InfoGalactic. We could also make a RabbitHole project too. And in my dreams we'd develop a "crossover bridge" project - most likely entailing a browser addon so that users could control their own tool, that could do things on more than one platform at once - like 1 post to 3 or more sites, or check messages all in one browser GUI. Distributed/decentralized.
I'm hoping this is more helpful than confusing.
Just FYI, it's one week of proposals, one week of voting (admins only), and one week to two weeks of implementation. The site is luckily in a state that there is nothing seriously urgent so I care more about throughput of the right things being done over immediacy.
Also an fyi, the having bump set to 0 for posts with zero comments can't work. I think you're missing the math a little. Everything has to be considered under the same sort criteria for everything to end up on the same number line for comparison. If you apply one algorithm to one post and a different one to another, conditionally, now you are comparing apples and oranges. It's like comparing miles per hour to hours and asking which one is greater.
Other things I want to add to the proposal list.
I like adding some troll ideas
Also, I mentioned that only admins will be able to vote on proposals. I am still willing to extend admin status to more people if you would like to vote.
Okay, that timeline is more sane. I'm thinking it's too late to start this cycle for November now, but maybe November and December can have a shared cycle.
Looking over my post again, I realize my mistake: I was creating a formula that only looks at the number of comments, and not at when the most recent comment was. But I also think I'm spotting your mistake. I believe you're considering a configuration where bump is set to 5 and the rest to 0, and want that to work like 4chan. But if we make it completely literal, then that config would mean new posts don't become visible until they've been commented on, and a simulation of 4chan would need age to not be set to 0. This is in contradiction with what I said earlier about it being fine when 0 is used as a fake 0 where they still have some factor. I suppose it needs some mulling over. This sort of thing is actually why I'm more a fan of presets where "imageboard" can be one preset (and then it will also toggle the auto-expand option), and the sliders being tucked away in the settings page. Curious about your opinion on this.
Yeah, we can generally run this cycle as frequently as we can. We'll just title it roughly by the month we start it in. If we start a feedback thread late one month we can title it after the next though. We don't have to delay for the month to start. Or really it's whatever.
I was just saying that a 4chan style is an experiment we could run. I'm ok with running this site different one month or another. An alg dominated by bump would not make new posts invisible until commented on because the act of posting would be a bump itself. That's how it works currently. This is why I doubled the effect of score, because when there were zero comments bump behaves exactly like new and so new was being counted twice. Halving both bump and new is about the same as just doubling score, so I just doubled the score.
The only problem with there being many modes is that when you develop new concepts on top of it you end up needing that concept to fit with all modes. It just increases the odds of errors. The only thing worse than lasangna is spegetti, and the only thing worse than spegetti is fractal spegetti.
That's why I'd rather run a month of converting the whole site to that mode and then back again and if there are a large number of people who like one, or the other, then we'd split the modes.
The other reason to fully commit to a 4chan mode as an experiment rather than an optional mode is that the whole dynamic of an image board depends one the majority of the site users operating under the same algorithm. A reddit view into a 4chan site would be bad, and a 4chan view of a reddit site would be bad. If people want a 4chan view of a reddit style posting dynamic they currently have the sliders for it and the expand option in settings.
I do want to modify the expand option in settings to present the most recent comments on the front page, like 4chan. I guess that can be a proposal for the voting period.
I understand the issue. I feel like we're talking past each other. I was commenting on bump not being a literal bump metric when posts with 0 comments count as having been bumped. You're used to 4chan and are equating bump to how that site works, when in fact 4chan has an age and a bump component in one (that both have the same weight). If bump becomes a separate slider here, it's more literal to not include the age component into it again since we already have a separate slider for it. It can be done, and the right option depends on how users expect a bump slider to work intuitively. I'm not sure if I'm missing some math here. But bump can be implemented such that 0 comments won't have any effect on placement regardless of how much weight bump has, right? A lack of comments could be counted as if the last bump was a near-infinite amount of time ago.
Another problem with age being counted twice is that now you have to correct every metric beside age and bump. Proximity will now have a lower comparative weight, it'd require the same doubling. But then a config where only score and proximity have a value are also out of balance because they're both doubled; the one with a higher value will dominate more quickly than is intuitive. That's why I think it's better not to get started with doubling in the first place, it's a workaround that needs to continuously be taken into account, increasing the complexity.
Sounds good regarding the 4chan mode. I've been saing for a long time that combining conspiracy realism with chan culture is a secret ingredient that can effect a lot of change. It gives conspiracies an edge and cool factor that will raise the interest of a larger audience. I suppose chans themselves have had a conspiracy component since /new/, but it's assimilated in a right-wing mindset that polarizes people into camps such as white / migrant, instead of transcending the left-right spectrum and trying to unite people across different demographics. Admittedly, Saidit isn't much different from that. But there is a hidden potential when there's a real focus on communicating conspiracy reality with easily digestible and shareable memes.
For this I would recommend that Saidit implementation of typing colon, then a name where it starts doing a fuzzyfound. It'd be especially cool if you could get tab autocompletion working in chat, both for emotes and @ing people, if that could have its own autocomplete dropdown. I don't know if tab can be hijacked and if that's a nice thing to do. Enter works too but then you have to use the arrow keys, for which you have to lift your right hand. It'd be cool if tab cycles between the options and enter selects.